tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post116056835862782234..comments2023-08-05T09:36:31.185-04:00Comments on New York's 24th District Independent: Ghosts of What Could Have Been24thIndependenthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16411599694795845193noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160862039447808182006-10-14T17:40:00.000-04:002006-10-14T17:40:00.000-04:00Josh what happened here is the two major parties g...Josh what happened here is the two major parties got yanked at by the two peripheral parties. The democratic party will never become the liberal party. One was always way further to the left and they can never assimilate the majority of this party to join in. Same goes for the conservatives and republicans, although I think a third emerged there and it is correctly called the Neocon party. Also known as right wing whack jobs. The rest are laughing behind the backs of the off the cliff evangelicals and using them for votes.<BR/><BR/>In this district all les roberts would have done is drive most of the base to Meier who pretends he's not nearly off the cliff himself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160714067044911482006-10-13T00:34:00.000-04:002006-10-13T00:34:00.000-04:00Mr. Cook, I presume the problem is simply that, am...Mr. Cook, I presume the problem is simply that, among the Democrats throughout the District, there simply aren't enough true Progressives that Les Roberts would have pulled off a primary win. Certainly he would have had a tough time pulling off a general election win. The district skews to the right, especially among law and order issues, and is less idealistic than opportunistic--so it's no surprise that we get Michael Arcuri as a candidate.<BR/><BR/>Wouldn't you say it's fairly likely that you don't belong in this Democratic Party?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160712693670369812006-10-13T00:11:00.000-04:002006-10-13T00:11:00.000-04:00Les Roberts dropped out. Don't post this if you ca...Les Roberts dropped out. Don't post this if you can't deal with it, but Les could have forced a primary and he didn't.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160700186406569412006-10-12T20:43:00.000-04:002006-10-12T20:43:00.000-04:00I'm interested in how people think Les "Let's adop...I'm interested in how people think Les "Let's adopt a congressional district" Roberts would have been a strong Democratic candidate. He was a freakin joke! All the man had to do was open his mouth. The NeoCons would have destroyed him. I can just see them going there with the whole Foley thing.<BR/>We didn't have a strong democratic congressional candidate. We still don't have one. Arcuri should thank his lucky flippin stars that things have gone the way they have.<BR/>Bill Wood is part of the problem and I think we should start with his head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160698328576563532006-10-12T20:12:00.000-04:002006-10-12T20:12:00.000-04:00If you are going to get Ray Meier elected Jon - yo...If you are going to get Ray Meier elected Jon - you better work harder at it.<BR/><BR/>http://constituentdynamics.com/mw/2006/index2.phpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160668967598498042006-10-12T12:02:00.000-04:002006-10-12T12:02:00.000-04:00So if Les Roberts is such a great guy, why did he ...So if Les Roberts is such a great guy, why did he buckle under to the pressure of the DCCC and the county chairs? The fact is that Les Roberts could have stayed in the race if he wanted to. The DCCC and the county chairs had no control over him. Plenty of candidates run w/o the support of the DCCC or the local party establishment. Les Roberts got out of the race because he had no support and no hope of winning the nomination. His campaign only would have forced Arcuri to spend money on a primary that would have been better used against Meier.<BR/><BR/>Also, if you are so heartbroken about those killed in Iraq, why are you trashing the only candidate who wants to get our troops out of Iraq? If Ray Meier wins this race, their blood will be on your hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160615757753490732006-10-11T21:15:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:15:00.000-04:00Another reason to vote against Ray Meier. I'd rat...Another reason to vote against Ray Meier. I'd rather read Jon's diatribes against Mike Arcuri in the Ithaca Journal than read Allen's diatribes against Ray Meier.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160615527616687382006-10-11T21:12:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:12:00.000-04:00Les Roberts isn't the Democratic candidate because...Les Roberts isn't the Democratic candidate because he dropped out. He had money and alot of folks behind him. He could have forced a primary if he'd wanted to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160614912170722062006-10-11T21:01:00.000-04:002006-10-11T21:01:00.000-04:00I'll go back to writing those 30 reasons not to vo...I'll go back to writing those 30 reasons not to vote for Ray Meier the minute that Michael Arcuri repudiates his support for the Military Commissions Act. I've made that clear.<BR/><BR/>Arcuri will not admit that he made a mistake - even though everyone here knows that the Military Commissions Act is a terrible law.<BR/><BR/>That reminds me a lot of the pig headedness of George W. Bush - not a quality we need in a member of Congress.24thIndependenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411599694795845193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160614713982517222006-10-11T20:58:00.000-04:002006-10-11T20:58:00.000-04:00Picture watching Michael Arcuri support more and m...Picture watching Michael Arcuri support more and more legislation like the Military Commissions Act, and realizing that you're responsible for giving him the power to do it - and the power to shut out any Democratic challengers as well.<BR/><BR/>I'll support the Democrats worth supporting. I've found my own significant ways to do it - the opportunities are numerous and easy to come by.<BR/><BR/>Michael Arcuri is not a Democrat worth supporting, so I'm taking my support to Democrats elsewhere.<BR/><BR/>If you think the Democratic County Committees will allow a challenger against a Democratic incumbent in this district to go forward in 2008, I think you'll find you're mistaken.24thIndependenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411599694795845193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160611792122052092006-10-11T20:09:00.000-04:002006-10-11T20:09:00.000-04:00Jon - "You COULD support a Democratic candidate in...Jon - "You COULD support a Democratic candidate in another district"<BR/><BR/>Well, I thought of that. I checked out Eric Massa, who is against the Military Commissions Act. He's in the next district over to the west - the 29th. He's running against a rabid right winger Randy Kuhl. I spoke with Massa and some of his campaign people. I'm waiting for them to get back to me to tell me how I can help. If they don't get back to me soon I'll try again. I think working for other more progressive candidates is a good idea. I think it's wrong to give up on our own district though. <BR/><BR/>Picture this. It doesn't go as well as you think. We take back 14 seats. Arcuri loses by a hair. You're left wondering for the rest of your life if you were responsible for the catastrophic results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160605288737232552006-10-11T18:21:00.000-04:002006-10-11T18:21:00.000-04:00Perhaps you should just get back to your 30 reason...Perhaps you should just get back to your 30 reasons why to vote against Meier.<BR/><BR/>One would be to make a visit by Dick Cheney and Laura Bush a kiss of death to any candidate.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to have the reactionary republicans here crowing about how the 24th supports Bush and Cheney by electing a Congressman they support.<BR/><BR/>Thinking the 15 seats doesn't include this one is counting your chickens before they are hatched.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160596651505439002006-10-11T15:57:00.000-04:002006-10-11T15:57:00.000-04:00Actually Allen, there's more than one way to skin ...Actually Allen, there's more than one way to skin a cat.<BR/><BR/>You don't HAVE to vote for Michael Arcuri to support the Democrats taking back Congress.<BR/><BR/>You COULD support a Democratic candidate in another district, one who hasn't been so stupid as Arcuri to support the Military Commissions Act. It is increasingly looking as if the Democrats are going to gain MORE than the 15 minimum required to take back the House. So, the Democratic Party nationally doesn't really need Michael Arcuri, and would be better off without him in the long run.24thIndependenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16411599694795845193noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160578756969523672006-10-11T10:59:00.000-04:002006-10-11T10:59:00.000-04:00Anonymous said - "The Democrats don't represent me...Anonymous said - "The Democrats don't represent me anymore. You people who defend the Military Commissions Act, and its supporter Mike Arcuri, make me sick."<BR/>I can't remember anyone posting here defending the Military Commissions Act, and as for supporting Michael Arcuri, it makes me sick to, but I have to, so we can take back Congress. I think we have the same goals.<BR/><BR/>michaelarcuri.blogspot.comAllen Carstensenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639893333066823479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21177018.post-1160574580205762432006-10-11T09:49:00.000-04:002006-10-11T09:49:00.000-04:00Start by clearing out the deadwood in Cortland. C...Start by clearing out the deadwood in Cortland. Chairman Bill Wood is now only openly supporting Mike Arcuri after embarrassing the County Committee and himself by supporting Suozzi and Charlie King in their respective primary losses.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com